Hi Jay – I really appreciate your analysis, and taking the time to make these detailed observations. You’re obviously well-versed, and those are the opinions I’m looking for; however, since I saw the bird in real-time, and there were certain field marks that really stood out to me that I’ve never seen on any Warbling Vireo over many years, I still think it was a Philadelphia. I’ll blame it on my frantic photography attempts & poor lighting achieved. To your points, the eye-line on this bird was noticeably dark – darker than I’ve ever seen on a Warbling; the black line also WAS in front of the eye (best shown in #2, but also obvious on the bird in real-time; this should distinctively say it is a Philadelphia, not Warbling), the chest was yellow (pic 2 alludes to this better, since it’s front-on), along with the flanks/vent, and the dark wing-edge on this bird shows in Sibley’s specifically for the Philadelphia, but not for the Warbling Vireo. I can’t address a feather angle on a hurried shot, but the black edging to me is much more definitive; I’m sorry I didn’t mention that in my original notes. So, my photos are obviously not up to par, but I’ve seen a lot of Warbling Vireos in my lifetime, and this looked completely different in real-time. But, I also can’t say that I’m familiar specifically with a ‘fresh late summer/fall Warbling”, and Sibley’s doesn’t make a distinction. But none of the Warbling Vireos in my Sibley’s field guide or iBird Plus app show a bird that looked like this, whereas the Philadelphia Vireo in the field guides match it. I also looked up images on the Internet for both birds. I think maybe the biggest definitive thing for me is the very definite slate-gray cap on my bird, that was distinctively separated from the back color. In every Warbling Vireo picture I found, there is a lack of distinction between head color and back color. In the pictures on the Internet, I saw huge variation in the patterns of yellow vs white on the front of the birds, so I think the best distinguishing field marks in this case are the dark black line that does go in front of the eye, and the strong distinction between head and back colors. Anyone else want to weigh in on this? Thanks again Jay… and a good night to all…JB

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:21:09 PM
To: ible@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [IBLE] Philadelphia Vireo ? Need ID confirmation assistance, please – asap

Hi Jonathan

Delayed reply because your message just made it to my inbox. I hate to burst your bubble but this bird looks good for a young Warbling Vireo (which are the brightest/most contrasty version of this species that we see because they’re in fresh plumage July to September whereas adults arrive in May & leave by August in quite worn/ faded plumage) and here are several reasons:

* the eye-line isn’t black enough – on Philadelphia, it should be darker than the cap, and distinctly dark in front of the eye
* the chest isn’t yellow enough – in particular, Philadelphia should be brightest on the center of the chest whereas this bird seems equally yellowish-white, or maybe the flanks are subtly brighter
* beak too long (though this one is hard to judge & I wouldn’t rely solely on this)
* and, for the finer details, on your image #1 you can actually make out the reduced primary 10 (barely longer than the primary coverts) as it slightly hangs down from the folded wing – this is a feather that Warbling has and Philadelphia lacks

You are far the from the first person to jump at a fresh late summer/fall Warbling … and I was a bit tempted when I saw the thumbnail shots pop up, including one view (image #3) which suggests a shorter tail (though image #1 shows that the tail isn’t so short).

I hope this helps/makes sense,

Jay

Hi Jonathan
Delayed reply because your message just made it to my inbox.  I hate to burst your bubble but this bird looks good for a young Warbling Vireo (which are the brightest/most contrasty version of this species that we see because they’re in fresh plumage July to September whereas adults arrive in May & leave by August in quite worn/ faded plumage) and here are several reasons:

– the eye-line isn’t black enough – on Philadelphia, it should be darker than the cap, and distinctly dark in front of the eye
– the chest isn’t yellow enough – in particular, Philadelphia should be brightest on the center of the chest whereas this bird seems equally yellowish-white, or maybe the flanks are subtly brighter
– beak too long (though this one is hard to judge & I wouldn’t rely solely on this)
– and, for the finer details, on your image #1 you can actually make out the reduced primary 10 (barely longer than the primary coverts) as it slightly hangs down from the folded wing – this is a feather that Warbling has and Philadelphia lacks
You are far the from the first person to jump at a fresh late summer/fall Warbling … and I was a bit tempted when I saw the thumbnail shots pop up, including one view (image #3) which suggests a shorter tail (though image #1 shows that the tail isn’t so short).
I hope this helps/makes sense,
Jay

Actually, after looking at page 340 – which I just discovered – in Sibley’s Field Guide from 2000, I am convinced it is indeed a Philadelphia vireo. It matches perfectly, and no other vireo on the comparison page does. That is New Yard Bird #72! JB

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Subject: [IBLE] Philadelphia Vireo ? Need ID confirmation assistance, please – asap [3 Attachments]

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Hi – I noticed a ‘different’ bird in my crabapple tree this evening, so I zoomed in and was able to snap a few shots before it flitted off.
I’ve been looking through Sibley’s, and it looks the most to me like a Philadelphia Vireo. Since I had a Palm Warbler in this same garden last Fall, it wouldn’t surprise me.
But I wanted to get ID feedback from those of you in the group who are proficient at vireo identification – please weigh in before I submit it to eBird. Thanks! Jonathan, Horseshoe Bend

For my own ID thoughts…

It appeared ‘stubbier’ and smaller-billed than the Red-eyed vireos I’m used to. The ‘lines’ didn’t seem as ‘sharp’ as a REV either. (sorry if my acronyms aren’t technically sanctified)
It has no wingbars, which rules out most others. It definitely has a contrast between the grayish crown and the greenish back.

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I’m with you, Larry. Though I don’t spend as much time searching for bird
as others apparently do, I enjoy observing in my yard and occasionally on
an outing to local park or the Foothills. I get kicks out of watching the
Black-capped Chickadees do their grab and go from the feeder to a nearby
branch to eat a tasty morsel. Watching young of any species flap tiny wings
and beg vocally for food from adults is always of interest to me. This
summer I especially enjoyed the daily activities of three young Cooper’s
Hawks along my driveway on the Depot Bench in Boise.

The postings that always enlighten and entertain me are those of Tom McCabe
in Boise and Brian Carrigan in Blackfoot. Jinathan in Horseshoe Bend also
contributes good observation anecdotes Of course, your reports from
outings and trips with Missy, I always read attentively. Thanks.

Diann Stone Depot Bench Boise

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 5:04 PM LARRY ARNOLD larnold47@cableone.net [ible] < ible-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> I understand this is a state listserv for chasing year birds
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> most state list servs are such and such
>
> what I wish is that we could discuss more of behaviors
>
> we enter eBird lists
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> and if a rarity shows up, we chase
>
> c’mon
>
> there’s more than this
>
> eh?
>
> why oh why are we like every other state list serv??
>
> can’t we be a bit different?
>
> more like the AZ-NM list
>
> above that fray of chasing????????
>
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> is any one left, not all moved to FB??
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> moi
> Boise
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That was a great Boreal Owl sighting, a pleasant surprise. Would Boreal
Owls normally be in the area of your cabin? And where is that?

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018, 2:01 AM lcarrigan_55@yahoo.com [ible] < ible-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> Spent a few days at the cabin &, last evening while taking a walk, an owl
> flew across my path & landed in a Douglas Fir. From 15 ft away, I got great
> binoc views of a Boreal Owl. The owl was on the hunt & took off a few
> minutes later. Earlier in the day, I found a female Western Tanager. And
> for Ruth Shea, the Trumpeter Swan pr at Swan Lake, Island Park were
> successful again this year, at least 2 & maybe more juveniles with them.
>
> Now, back at home &, it appears, that both my Black-headed Grosbeaks &
> Calliope Hummingbirds have moved on. Not for lack of seeds or nectar, as
> both still had food. I’ll keep my nectar up a bit longer to see if I get
> any straggler migrants. Not much in the way if Warblers, yet.
>
> Brian Carrigan
> Blackfoot
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On Mon, Sep 3, 2018, 2:01 AM lcarrigan_55@yahoo.com [ible] < ible-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> Spent a few days at the cabin &, last evening while taking a walk, an owl
> flew across my path & landed in a Douglas Fir. From 15 ft away, I got great
> binoc views of a Boreal Owl. The owl was on the hunt & took off a few
> minutes later. Earlier in the day, I found a female Western Tanager. And
> for Ruth Shea, the Trumpeter Swan pr at Swan Lake, Island Park were
> successful again this year, at least 2 & maybe more juveniles with them.
>
> Now, back at home &, it appears, that both my Black-headed Grosbeaks &
> Calliope Hummingbirds have moved on. Not for lack of seeds or nectar, as
> both still had food. I’ll keep my nectar up a bit longer to see if I get
> any straggler migrants. Not much in the way if Warblers, yet.
>
> Brian Carrigan
> Blackfoot
>
>

Hi – I noticed a ‘different’ bird in my crabapple tree this evening, so I zoomed in and was able to snap a few shots before it flitted off.
I’ve been looking through Sibley’s, and it looks the most to me like a Philadelphia Vireo. Since I had a Palm Warbler in this same garden last Fall, it wouldn’t surprise me.
But I wanted to get ID feedback from those of you in the group who are proficient at vireo identification – please weigh in before I submit it to eBird. Thanks! Jonathan, Horseshoe Bend

For my own ID thoughts…

It appeared ‘stubbier’ and smaller-billed than the Red-eyed vireos I’m used to. The ‘lines’ didn’t seem as ‘sharp’ as a REV either. (sorry if my acronyms aren’t technically sanctified)
It has no wingbars, which rules out most others. It definitely has a contrast between the grayish crown and the greenish back.

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I don’t even have a Facebook account, so I can’t move. And eBird doesn’t work for my daily bike rides because they want only 5 miles at a time, and I don’t even record my birds until I get home.. So Larry, you’re stuck with me.

As for behavior, I see some changes happening. Yesterday, the Merlin who hung out at Esther Simplot last winter returned. And the day before, a raft of 7 Ruddy Ducks showed up at Silver Lake, but they were one day wonders. Some days I have a hard time getting my Minimum Daily Allowance of 20, and other days I exceed my Recommended Daily Allowance of 30.

Tom

From: ible@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ible@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LARRY ARNOLD larnold47@cableone.net [ible]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:53 AM
To: ible
Subject: [IBLE] I wish a wish

I understand this is a state listserv for chasing year birds

most state list servs are such and such

what I wish is that we could discuss more of behaviors

we enter eBird lists

and if a rarity shows up, we chase

c’mon

there’s more than this

eh?

why oh why are we like every other state list serv??

can’t we be a bit different?

more like the AZ-NM list

above that fray of chasing????????

is any one left, not all moved to FB??

moi

Boise

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Hi all!
I just learned that there are still spaces open in the Golden Eagle Audubon “Mastering eBird” Workshop.
This workshop is put on by eBird project coordinator, Ian Davies! I’m sure it will be a great way to learn some eBird tips and tricks, and pick Ian’s ear about all things eBird 🙂
Here’s the link to sign up: Golden Eagle Audubon Society – Mastering eBird Workshop
Thanks to GEAS for providing such a great opportunity to the Idaho birding community!

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I understand this is a state listserv for chasing year birds

most state list servs are such and such

what I wish is that we could discuss more of behaviors

we enter eBird lists

and if a rarity shows up, we chase

c’mon

there’s more than this

eh?

why oh why are we like every other state list serv??

can’t we be a bit different?

more like the AZ-NM list

above that fray of chasing????????

is any one left, not all moved to FB??

moi
Boise

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Carl,

Your BIRD reports are always awesome, dreamy, smile-inducing! =)

AND

I’m delinquent in thanking you for birding ideas whilst camping recently on the Continental Divide (ID-WY), where we enjoyed constant CLNU music, had a yuge raft of EAGR on New Fork Lakes (7900 ft), and other delights, war stories around the camp fire, yikes….

Teton Pass was way crowded with humans, so we skipped that, preferring mellow birding as you say in your eBird Profile ” My birding interests include traveling widely and getting off the beaten path. ” Missy and I get this!!!
Thanks again for Panhandle reporting – happens to be our favorite destination in the state! Both geologically and ornithologically……….. =)

Larry,
W Boise

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From: “Carl Lundblad carl.lundblad@gmail.com [ible]”
To: “inland birders” , “ible”
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:38:02 PM
Subject: [IBLE] Northern Panhandle: 8-9 September 2018

I spent the weekend in Bonner and Boundary Counties beginning Saturday morning at Sandpoint City Beach, which produced my Bonner-first PECTORAL SANDPIPER and not much else except a few expected land bird migrants flitting about. More expected migrant land birds were along Oden Bay/Sunnyside Road including a Willow Flycatcher on the late end of their passage window. Small numbers of Red-necked Grebes were beginning to assemble, but there’s not yet much suggestion of the thousands of waterfowl and dozens of grebes and loons that will pile into that area in coming weeks. The Clark Fork Delta Driftwood Yard had a VIRGINIA RAIL, VESPER SPARROW, and other migrant sparrows. In Bonners Ferry, a flock of 10 BLACK-NECKED STILT (my Boundary County first) were on the Kootenai River just downstream from the US-95 bridge (below the brewery). At Boundary Creek WMA, 123 GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GEESE were right on time (for that location) and twice that many AMERICAN WHITE PELICANS was my highest-ever count in the Idaho panhandle. An evening stop at Kootenai NWR was pretty quiet but 3 Long-billed Dowitchers, 2 Greater Yellowlegs, and a Lesser Yellowlegs brought my World Shorebird Day list to 7 species.

Sunday, I undertook my favorite hike in north Idaho, hiking to Harrison Lake, then continuing off-trail along the Selkirk Crest to Upper Beehive Lake, and finishing at the Beehive Lakes trailhead. Consistent with other recent reports from our region, WHITE-WINGED CROSSBILLS seem to be making a good showing in the Spruce-zone this season. I had several groups between the Beehive trailhead and Harrison Lake, including a group of 9 on the road separating Beehive and Harrison trailheads (1 mile walk to complete the 10-11 mile loop hike). 2 NORTHERN PYGMY-OWLS were vocal along the trail to Harrison Lake, and the shore of Harrison was teaming with migrant American Pipits, Yellow-rumped Warblers, and Savannah and White-crowned Sparrows. American Pipits were abundant in the treeless granite rubble of the Seven Sisters crest area along with one Horned Lark (no Longspurs). A lone Pine Grosbeak flew over, but this species has been unusually hard for me to find in suitable breeding habitat of north Idaho over the last 2 years (maybe I’ve just been in the wrong places at the wrong times).

A final stop at Sandpoint City Beach on Sunday evening produced about 9 COMMON TERNS. Non-avian highlights from Sunday included a huge bull Elk nearby (location withheld), lots of American Pikas, and a confiding Short-tailed Weasel in a boulder field over the ridge north of Upper Beehive Lake.

Good Birding,

Carl Lundblad
Moscow, ID