Thank you. These guys are always a challenge.

> On Feb 6, 2018, at 5:09 AM, Cliff and Lisa cliffandlisa@octobersetters.com [ible] wrote:
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> As requested, here are Harry’s Cackling Goose pages from the old Idaho Birds site:
> https://idahobirds.net/identification/cackling.html
> This is the table of contents to the pages. I recommend opening them in a new tab or window in order to keep the contents handy. Don’t try to use the Identification Page link that’s on the pages. That’s broken and will just re-route you to the Idaho Birds home.
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> I would like to add Cackling Goose and the rest of Harry’s ID writings to the new site when I can, but until that’s done the above address should work. If anyone has any problems viewing it let me know.
> Lisa
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> On 02/05/2018 10:22 AM, ‘Kahl, Steve’ Steve_Kahl@fws.gov [ible] wrote:
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>> All – Just wanted to say thanks for your input. I am enjoying the process of learning and hoping I can shed some light on the subspecies of CANG/CACG that winter in our area, and not just taking for granted that they are all moffitti because that is what they are “supposed” to be.
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>> Interestingly, the numbers of these smaller geese continues to climb around here. Sat I counted over 700 CANG loafing/preening at the Pocatello Water Pollution Control Plant pond. At LEAST 50 were these smaller birds. I especially noted a group of 6 that separated themselves from the rest of the masses and took off as a (perhaps family) group.
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>> Part of my thought process about these possibly being parvipes birds is that the range maps in Baldassare’s Ducks, Geese, and Swans of NA (the update to the famous Frank Bellrose tome) shows parvipes wintering in all of ID, but the SE. In contrast, the map for Taverner’s CACG show them wintering in far west OR/WA. Thus, it would seem to be that the closer wintering population would be more likely to show up here.
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>> I did more research on Taverner’s and it underscored the size similarity w/ parvipes that has been mentioned. Coming from the east, where Richardson’s is the typical CACG, I am used to cacklers being very small and obvious..
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>> I’m working on the pictures, but can’t seem to get close enough to the birds to get decent snaps. The geese around here still seem very jittery from the waterfowl season.
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>> I have not been able to find Krueger’s treatise on these birds. I can find Google hits for it. But they all bring me to the Idaho Birds home page and the article does not seem to be located there anymore. If anybody by chance has a hard copy or some other means to see it let me know.
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>> Thanks again!
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>> Steven F. Kahl
>> Deputy Project Leader
>> Southeast Idaho National Wildlife Refuge Complex
>> 4425 Burley Dr., Ste. A
>> Chubbuck, ID 83202
>> P (208) 237-6615 ext 112
>> F (208) 237-8213
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